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Hartnell plans available and ready for revision
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« Reply #1 on Jul 1, 2006, 8:37pm »

Lespaceplie,
Good work on the plans. I hope to see season 18+ soon. I started a 3d virtual build in Solidworks from your brachaki plans. Let me know if you are interested in the work i am doing in Solidworks. Thanks greg

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« Reply #2 on Jul 2, 2006, 2:47pm »

I'll be quite pleased to see the 3D build to test things out. About 10 years ago I used to do renderings myself, but I'm rusty.

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« Reply #3 on Jul 2, 2006, 4:24pm »

To get started you will need to go over to the Solidworks site. That is www.Solidworks.com and download the solidworks3d viewer. The file is about 19 meg in size and i think it is only available for the windows operating system. This software will produce 3d part views , subassemblies , assemblies , accurate detail prints and bill of materials. I work primarily in the metalworking industry , so working in nonmetal design is new to me. I hope more members will get involved in this project. I think it will be quite interesting. The solidworks viewer is free. We will only need to figure out how to share the files. Thanks greg

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« Reply #4 on Jul 2, 2006, 11:28pm »

Well , Here is a first view of the solidworks in jpeg format. [image]

It needs lots of work. greg

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« Reply #5 on Jul 17, 2006, 7:37am »

Lespaceplie,
I got a little more work done on her , but i still have much to go.

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« Reply #6 on Jul 24, 2006, 7:41pm »

Lespaceplie,

Wanted to pop in and say thanks your plans where a great help with the start of a scale model I am working on.

I have been working in AutoCAD on a 3d model of the Brachaki Tardis and it was great to find plans that where clean.

I'll post images when I get them online.

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Re: Hartnell plans available and ready for revisio
« Reply #7 on Jul 25, 2006, 7:09pm »

Here are some renderings of my 3d AutoCAD Model.

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And a more exciting pose

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I realize the signs on the side are not compleate but I am still working out some of the maping issues. And besides I can always say it was the one from the unaired pilot.

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« Reply #8 on Jul 25, 2006, 8:27pm »

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Here are some renderings of my 3d AutoCAD Model.
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The background is breathtaking!!!

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Re: Hartnell plans available and ready for revisio
« Reply #9 on Jul 25, 2006, 9:25pm »

The TARDIS is pretty good too!
Nice work Rob.

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« Reply #10 on Jul 25, 2006, 11:54pm »

Thanks for the kind words.

I am just starting down this road. I plan on moving form AutoCAD to a scale model. It would be some time before I could do a full size build as I don't have the space for it.

The back ground is Orion as seen from Hubble. You can get some great stuff from just a google search.

I have run in to one questions about dimensions. Are there plans that show the depth of things. I was working off the fact that lespaceflie's plans are 3/4"=1'. This worked out great except when I modeled the tops of the columns I noticed that mine where going to be further out from the face of the roof edge that shown in the plans. I assume this is because the face of the wall on my model are set further back from the edge of the base than are on the drawings. I have notice that the dimensions for elevations are easy to come by but it seems that the depth of things are less well known.

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Re: Hartnell plans available and ready for revisio
« Reply #11 on Jul 26, 2006, 12:10am »

Rob,
Absolutely great work.
I wish I knew how you guys do this type of work.
I would love to learn, but don't have engineering degree. LOL

Anyway, superb work!!!!
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« Reply #12 on Jul 26, 2006, 12:18am »

Jon,

I don't have an engineering degree either. I am self taught. I work as a set and lighting designer and picked up a copy of AutoCAD LT about 7 years ago and have been plugging away at it ever since.

Actual this is the first 3d model I have done that I have gotten a feel for the whole process. I have lots of incomplete models in CAD that I am not happy with.

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« Reply #13 on Jul 26, 2006, 1:07am »

Ok, I have now figured out what my problem is.

I had read somewhere that the length of the sign box was 39". This dim is not noted on Greg's plans. when I build the model I use that dim and found I had to move each wall in 1".

I just checked the plans and found that the sign boxes are drawn at 41". That would account for the 2".

So can someone tell me what the actual dim of the sign boxes are on the Hartnell prop?

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« Reply #14 on Jul 26, 2006, 2:20am »

Is there any freeware autocad?
Maybe I can play around and teach myself then?
Let me know.

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« Reply #15 on Jul 26, 2006, 2:54pm »

The sign boxes are probably 41" wide as drawn. The span of two doors is definitely 36" on the Hartnell prop. The corner posts are 6" wide. The ends of the sign boxes appear to be about 1/2" shy of the center of each post.

Also, good work on the rendering. I think the roof steps are too far in, though. The lower step should only be 1/2" in from the post cap (43" square). The upper step is 1" in from the lower one (41" square).

I should label more on the PDF.

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... just checked the plans and found that the sign boxes are drawn at 41". That would account for the 2".

So can someone tell me what the actual dim of the sign boxes are on the Hartnell prop?

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« Reply #16 on Jul 26, 2006, 3:34pm »

Lespaceplie,
I am near completion on my 3d model build and i will post my results soon. I am starting the drawing phase a little early seeing more people are getting involved. Rob , your work is coming along fine. You don't have to be a engineer to use a cad program. Like any program or trade skill requires long hours of practice and good sources of information. God , I love the internet.

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« Reply #17 on Jul 26, 2006, 4:03pm »

Jon,
Download.com has a 3d cad program you might be interested in downloading . Here is the link.
www.download.com/3D-Modeling-CAD/3150-6677_4-0.html?tag=dir
The program Alibre Design Xpress has a Solidworks like user interphase and it is free. Only drawback is the assemblies can only be made with up to 5 parts. The parts can be as large as you want , but editing would be harder. Alibre also has a user forum for woodworkers. greg

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« Reply #18 on Jul 26, 2006, 4:57pm »

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Is there any freeware autocad?
Maybe I can play around and teach myself then?

There are a number of free programs you can play with. Some of the people on this board have used SketchUp which I understand is fairly easy to use.

A more powerful free program to use is Blender.

I understand that it's also possible to create objects in the free version of SketchUp (which is easier to use) and import them into Blender (which can render nicer pictures).

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« Reply #19 on Jul 26, 2006, 5:36pm »

Greg,

Can you clarify for me what you mean by "roof step".

I think I know what you are talking about. But when you said, "lower step should only be 1/2" in from the post cap (43" square)" , I got lost.

I only think of the roof as having one step up. But I'll bet this is semantics.

Here is what I currently have.

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« Reply #20 on Jul 26, 2006, 6:08pm »

Colin,
I have used Blender before i purchased Lightwave. Like Lightwave , Blender is more of a concept
modeling program, not a dimensional driven modeling program. Although Lightwave has a cad plugin now , there is still room for improvement. I am not sure you can display measurments in Blender ? That said , Lightwave , Blender, 3dMax are all excellent programs and Blender is free.
As for SketchUp , Well what is the old adage . I wouldn't kick a dog in the a** with it . greg

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« Reply #21 on Jul 28, 2006, 5:12pm »

This should clarify things (I hope). There are 2 roof steps, but the lower one fits flush with the top of the post caps unlike a real box.

Also, I think people are mixing up Greg and Gene. Gene (me) = lespaceplie.

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« Reply #22 on Jul 28, 2006, 6:37pm »

Colin, Sorry about the harsh comment on Sketchup . I had a really bad day. Software is like tools in a toolbox, use the best tool for the job. greg

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« Reply #23 on Jul 28, 2006, 9:10pm »

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Colin, Sorry about the harsh comment on Sketchup . I had a really bad day. Software is like tools in a toolbox, use the best tool for the job.

Yeah, and for some people SketchUp is probably the best tool being (from what I understand) easy to use and free. I always use Photoshop to edit my pictures, but I'm not going to suggest that someone with simple image editing needs should buy a copy of it.

If someone just wants to play around with 3D stuff for the first time, they shouldn't download Autodesk Maya Personal Learning Edition. If I wanted to play around it's what I'd download, but I've a little more experience with such things than most people.

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« Reply #24 on Jul 29, 2006, 3:36pm »

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Thanks for the clarification. That is what I thought you where saying.

What was throwing me is I didn't think of the lower roof step as part of the roof but rather as part of the walls. Guess this is the Set Designer in me

Also, sorry about the name confusion. This was most likely my fault as I am new here and don't have all the flash cards memorized.

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« Reply #25 on Jul 29, 2006, 3:44pm »

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Thanks for the update. I may have caused some confusion with the 1.5" roof joist. The exposed
area will be 1" around the perimeter. a 1/2 inch under the roof cap. Sorry rob , I should have explained what i was doing. The screen shot and print should help in what i am trying to do.

Colin, Sorry about the harsh comment on Sketchup . I had a really bad day. Software is like tools in a toolbox, use the best tool for the job. greg

Greg,

No need to apologize. By the way I like what your are doing with your work. Looks great. I have been thinking of loading up that copy of Solidworks I have and seeing what it can do but can't seem to find the time. Now I think I'll have to make it happen. Right after I figure out 3d Studio ::)

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« Reply #26 on Aug 1, 2006, 4:08pm »

Can someone point me or post some picture that show the texture used on the Hartnell era box.

It would be better in color but b&w is ok. Also better if this was a close up and straight on.

What I am hoping to do is create some files for texture maping the computer model.

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« Reply #27 on Aug 8, 2006, 6:00pm »

Rob ,
I am planning to make a cgi build in Lightwave as well. You may need to hit some of the cgi forums for help on the textures. There are a few people making some excellent tardis builds in cgi and 3d Studio Max is an excellent program for cgi results. I am looking forward to seeing your work. greg

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« Reply #28 on Aug 8, 2006, 6:46pm »

Gene,
A little more progress on the old girl. I need to model a lock to keep the martians out.

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Just a little more detail and i will start on the build prints. Maybe with some luck i will start a real build by next spring. I will work on the prints in the fall and winter months. Just not enough time in the summer. later greg

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« Reply #29 on Sept 15, 2009, 3:59pm »

The latest version of the Brachaki plans are here:
http://www.lespaceplie.com/drwho/brachaki.pdf

The changes aren't too extreme, but the posts are now drawn at 6.5" inches instead of the 6" standby. This is due to hardwood timber standards and the fact that this prop was built in a hurry. A standard board of 5 nominal inches would actually be 4.5 inches. Studies of proportions from photographs suggest that this is the size of the center board of the posts.

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