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Movie TARDIS Prop « Thread Started on Jul 3, 2005, 9:06am »
Here are some general pics of the Cushing Movie TARDIS prop.
Note that they are all thumbnails to keep down the bandwidth and load times - if you want to view or retrieve the full-sized image, just click or right-click on the thumb and you should see the big picture.
First movie in the back yard.
Second movie in 2150 London. Notice the width? If you take out the steps under the sign housings and reduce the roof stacking you'd essentially have the full imposing size and width of the new series TARDIS.
Second movie with door open showing the sparkly white interior (it was all blue in the first movie). Note the really wide stiles (vertical parts) on the door.
Second movie - a good shot of the roof structure.
My, she is a wide body, isn't she. I know a small portion is hidden by rubble, but this near perfect quarter shot really brings out the width, just like on the new series box.
Second movie street scene. About the only time this box was ever shown with fully lit signs.
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #1 on Jul 3, 2005, 9:24am »
Here are some closeups of the main door panel in the first movie. Again, they are clickable thumbnails that will take you to the full-sized images.
This shows the glint on the St. John plaque quite well (see separate St. John Ambulance thread), and the four screws slightly staggered on the main door handle. Bad sanding job, too.
Later in the sequence with the panel almost directly square-on to the camera.
Using the last picture and knowing the actual size of the brass Yale lock face it should be possible to calculate the size of all the major panel components with an acceptable margin of error. One can then use those measurements in other pictures to calculate relative dimensions of the rest of the box's components.
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #2 on Jul 3, 2005, 9:48am »
More clickable thumbs.
This time of the inner doors and the Yale lock.
Great shot of the Yale lock from the first movie.
Yes, you can actually barely make out the "Yale" on the knob in the full-sized image. It appears to be a standard iron-cased night latch or rimlock dating from the 40s to the 60s, before they switched to painted or patinaed cast aluminium.
Interior doors from the second movie. Doors painted white now, but the same lock as in the first movie and note the brass twist-locking throw-bolt on the upper edge of the right door (also in the first movie).
Note that these shots of the doors show them to be the exterior prop doors simply rehung for the Control Room set. You can make out the extra depth to the panel that holds the phone door and the additional mounding the acts as a ledge to attach it to (also visible in the lock pic above).
Hmmmm, Look familiar? Similar shot from the new series Console Room. Even looks to be exactly the same type of lock, just whitewashed along with the interior sides of the doors.
Yet another note of resonance between the Cushing Movie TARDIS and the newest beast in the BBC stables.
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #3 on Jul 3, 2005, 10:41am »
Has anyone yet managed to verify the lineage of the box that stands in the back of The WHO Shop in East Ham?
I raised this a year or so ago on the strength of a conversation I had with a seemingly well-informed fellow working at the counter... he told me quite matter-of-factly that it was the/a Cushing movie prop (screen used) and acquired with the assistance of John Nathan-Turner many years ago.
Has no-one followed this up yet? It's intriguing given the supposed fate of the (sole?) Cushing box - which it's believed was destroyed as part of pyrotechnic shot in The Avengers TV series.
A few pictures of the WHO Shop prop would be useful but there don't appear to be any online. Are any of our members within easy reach of the shop (directly opposite the tube station at East Ham)?
Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #4 on Jul 3, 2005, 11:20am »
I've seen the Who Shop box up close and spoken to the people there about it on a number of times... Alex tells me that JNT found it for her and that it was the Movie box - though I said to her that it's the wrong shape for that, also pointed out what happened to it in The Avengers.
I reckon it's one of the many Ealing Boxes, it's quite old, very knackered and quite crudely assembled (with lots of cheap hardboard backing) which makes me think it is a prop and not a replica built by a fan.
Unfortunately on the visits I've had there, I haven't ever had a camera with me. Next time I'll take one with me, though I never actually buy anything from that shop, nice though the people are.
Purple
PS. That first clickable thumbnail of the old Yale lock latch on the Movie prop - I bought one identical to that yesterday from B&Q for £20, I'll upload a picture of it later.
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #5 on Jul 4, 2005, 7:50pm »
Think you're onto something with these Movie/new series props Banzai.
Maybe anyone who's a whiz on that computer art package (is it photoshop?) could have a fiddle with the new series prop and see what it would look like with larger stiles instead of wider panels?
Nice pictures by the way, how did you get the thumb pics to link to bigger ones?
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #6 on Jul 5, 2005, 1:38pm »
The ones photobucket normally shows next to your thumbs on the site are just the basics.
If you want more options then once you've loaded up your pics just click the box of what picture you want to get code for and then click the button at the bottom of the page to generate code. The clickable thumb img code for message boards is displayed along with various others types - just copy/paste.
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #8 on Jul 6, 2005, 2:56am »
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Maybe anyone who's a whiz on that computer art package (is it photoshop?) could have a fiddle with the new series prop and see what it would look like with larger stiles instead of wider panels?
I borrowed Razorcuts picture of the new TARDIS and had a go with MS Paint (!). Here it is:
What d'you think?
Crispin
« Last Edit: Jul 6, 2005, 11:31am by Scarfwearer »
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #9 on Jul 6, 2005, 6:53am »
Nice work Crispin,
I think that just by altering the stiles gives the TARDIS a better look.
I still don't understand this particular TARDIS though, its as though the design briefing went something like "Right everybody, you only have 30 seconds to study these pictures of past TARDIS designs and real police boxes, then after that off you go. By the way we need the new TARDIS prop ready for the morning!"
Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #10 on Jul 6, 2005, 8:39am »
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I still don't understand this particular TARDIS though, its as though the design briefing went something like "Right everybody, you only have 30 seconds to study these pictures of past TARDIS designs and real police boxes, then after that off you go. By the way we need the new TARDIS prop ready for the morning!"
Then again, its better than nothing.
I'm very well versed in what happened with the new TV TARDIS. In October 2003 I found to my amazement that the BBC already knew who I was with regards to the building of TARDIS props... when I approached them after the return of the show was announced, I explained that I'd like to bid for the new build contract.
It took a very long time before the Art Department was formed - almost up to the last minute - anyway, throughout this time, I was in weekly, sometimes daily discussions about how we'd go about the build.
Eventually meetings were held between my team and Ed Thomas and his team, I gave a lengthy explaination about TARDIS design versus Police box design and my proposed TARDIS design was accepted. It was at the point that I said to Ed that Police Boxes were much bigger than the various TARDIS props and that I wanted to make the new prop slightly beefier to match this - despite what Ed says in The Radio Times special, he didn't already know this... I told him.
Anyway, I was getting wary, it was May 2004 - filming was due to start in July and Ed had asked for four or five identical TARDIS props and still decisions weren't being made about the construction of the props - sonic screwdriver, consoles etc.
All we needed was "Do it" and we could have, I spoke to colleagues in the industry who were suffering the same thing with the WHO Team and we all agreed that they appeared to be wasting time and leaving things far too late to allow us to do the jobs properly without cutting corners.
At this point, I went away on holiday and returned in early June and a decision still had not been made and by this point I knew that it was impossible to build 5 boxes in just a little over a month. To get out of the job without seeming unprofessional, I said that I only had a specific build window to do this in and that if they didn't make their decisions by the end of the week, I would have to pull out of the job. Thankfully they took this kindly and I left the project.
Sometime later, various pictures surfaced... I noticed that the proof sheets of my TARDIS work were being used to sort of get the general design done... you can see the designs next to my sheets and if you look closely, you can see that they were drawn up at almost the last minute which proves to my mind that they were relying on my team, or at the very least thought we'd have a hand in it and therefore hadn't done their own preperations.
Now, when I look at the new box, it does remind me of one of my old models that's on that proof sheet that I coincidentally made rather wide. It's all in the distant past now, I'm not bitter, this is often how things pan out in business.
So, if you want to see how the original design of the 2005 TARDIS would have turned out if I'd done it, then take a peek at the TARDIS I'm building now - I just thought I'd do it anyway.
Righto, that's it from me on this topic - lecture over. Thank you and good night... *takes a bow and exits stage left*
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #11 on Jul 6, 2005, 1:55pm »
Crispin,
Great job. Now just increase the width of the pillars in toward the center so that all four stiles are about the same width and you'd have a perfectly acceptable TARDIS, even with the low roof-line. Sigh.
Purple,
Explains just about everything. It is regrettably quite typical of the industry on both sides of the pond. Thanks for the inside scoop.
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #12 on Jul 6, 2005, 2:49pm »
Purple - re: Cushing Lock,
Yes, the "Traditional Model" Latchs available from Yale now are very, very close to what they had then. Differences (beside materials) are mainly that with the 60s version there were: sharper details (partly a consequence of the harder materials used in making the housing); a bell-shaped latch release button instead of the present flat disk shape; a slightly smaller knob; and finally that the logo back then was "YALE" (in an outlined lenticular shape on the knob and in even well-spaced block letters on the cylinder) instead of the present "Yale".
I'd say a good 90% match, though. Glad they still make them.
BTW - from what I can see, despite the low res in the one image I have, the new TARDIS looks like it might have an older lock (inside part, at least), despite the key in the publicity stills looking like a newer model with only one "wing" stop at the base of the bow instead of the old style, which had two (Yale changed their key blank pattern about 10 years ago) - but then it's probably just a copy using a newer blank.
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #13 on Jul 7, 2005, 12:03am »
Well Purple, all I can say is that you took that very well, I'd have been well annoyed (missing out on being involved, seeing their final effort, then using your design sheets on a promo picture!).
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #15 on Jun 27, 2007, 6:17pm »
Hiya, i was wondering if anyone could help me, i am trying to identifiy what the extra fittings are, on the 1996 Hudolin Box are? i believe they are some form of Anchor Light fitting, but i may be wrong, can anybody shed some light on this? Thanks.
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Re: Movie TARDIS Prop « Reply #16 on Jun 27, 2007, 7:32pm »
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A few pictures of the WHO Shop prop would be useful but there don't appear to be any online. Are any of our members within easy reach of the shop (directly opposite the tube station at East Ham)?
I have one of me and "Geoff" Sax... Back when I had short hair. This was taken infront of the Who Shop TARDIS... Not sure how much of it is visible though...
I'll see if I can dig it out.
-Marc
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