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TARDIS Builders :: TARDIS Interior :: Console Virtual and Model Builds :: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Page 4 of 5 » Jump to page   Go     Author Topic: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) (Read 3,391 times) doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #90 on Jul 16, 2009, 7:40pm » Jul 16, 2009, 7:34pm, celation wrote: Those cross bars should be circular in cross section, as well - I believe... C. It's a slightly misleading angle, they are actually circular.. I was just being a clever trouser and adding a bit of detail that was probably never there I'm on my way to your thread nooooooooooooooooooooooow..... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged celation Castellan member is offline Joined: Nov 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 232 Location: UK Karma: 17 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #91 on Jul 16, 2009, 7:45pm » Quote: It's a slightly misleading angle, they are actually circular.. I was just being a clever trouser and adding a bit of detail that was probably never there My apologies. I did wonder whether to add that bit! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #92 on Jul 16, 2009, 8:00pm » No problem I just decided to chuck a little virtual money at my prop and put moulded brackets onto the rods where they meet. See... Probably not something on the original prop, but the art lies not in the fact that it's there, but more in the fact that it has no right to be there Or something like that.... « Last Edit: Jul 19, 2009, 3:15pm by Scarfwearer » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged celation Castellan member is offline Joined: Nov 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 232 Location: UK Karma: 17 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #93 on Jul 16, 2009, 8:10pm » Looks cool - but can I point something out? The bars inside the paddle wheel shouldn't line up with the bars holding the flags in place. i.e. those bars don't stop behind the black/white rulers, but link into a vertical 90 degrees round from the centre black/white ruler. See what I mean? C. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Scarfwearer Administrator member is offline Joined: Feb 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 175 Location: Somewhere beginning with 'S' Karma: 12 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #94 on Jul 16, 2009, 8:15pm » Well, here's a screen grab that seems to completely contradict what I said earlier : It's probably only a few frames away from this capture of Marc's, but a little clearer on the paddles. It looks like perhaps the cross bars are not evenly spaced (or possibly the paddles are not centred on them - it's hard to tell which), but it looks like they *are* attached to the side of the rod, and not through the middle. It's hard to tell though. What do you think? Crispin Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #95 on Jul 16, 2009, 8:24pm » Well, I've been going through various sources from DVD caps, plus thinking if I was building it how would I put it together (woolly thinking there!). I assumed that the rig in the centre would be connected to the ring with the grill/rulers for stability. If not, what would be holding that ring in place? Perhaps once Celation has his Console finished he can nip back to 1963 with an HD Camcorder and a BBC pass Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #96 on Jul 16, 2009, 8:31pm » Aaaaaahh.. OOoooh.. Eeeeeeek. I've just found a screen cap from the War Games that confirms Celaton's observation. Time to do some detaching and deleting. Kettle on first I think! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #97 on Jul 16, 2009, 10:41pm » Jul 16, 2009, 8:15pm, Scarfwearer wrote: It looks like perhaps the cross bars are not evenly spaced (or possibly the paddles are not centred on them - it's hard to tell which), but it looks like they *are* attached to the side of the rod, and not through the middle. It's hard to tell though. What do you think? To me it didn't look like the were going through the bars, but I have really been struggling to get them to work any other way.. I might resort to Splines. I wouldn't have thought the bars would be unevenly spaced because if one were designing it, the bars would be the framework that you would add detail to. More likely to change the detail than the framework.. I would have thought anyway. « Last Edit: Jul 16, 2009, 10:43pm by doctorhr2 » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged celation Castellan member is offline Joined: Nov 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 232 Location: UK Karma: 17 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #98 on Jul 17, 2009, 12:20am » Only way I can explain is to put up a render of mine, which is basically the plans I'm building to. It's missing the joining parts, and I wouldn't use it for estimating measurements, but the general idea is there. Notice how the left paddles have been replaced in the wrong orientation. The right paddles are in their original placing. C. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #99 on Jul 17, 2009, 12:22am » Okay... I have been having a think about this. We know that the paddles are attached to the rods and not going through them, which would mean that the pattern wouldn't be the same (in measurments) on both sides. For instance, on the screen cap above (thanks Crispin) we can see that the first set of paddles are arranged between the first two rods and then over the next two, then between the last two. Logically then that middle bit going over the rods is going to have a wider flat piece between the two angled paddles... Yes? Does that make sense? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #100 on Jul 17, 2009, 12:24am » Jul 17, 2009, 12:20am, celation wrote: Only way I can explain is to put up a render of mine, which is basically the plans I'm building to. It's missing the joining parts, and I wouldn't use it for estimating measurements, but the general idea is there. Notice how the left paddles have been replaced in the wrong orientation. The right paddles are in their original placing. C. Oooh, so both sides are different? This is going to bug me until I can crack it. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged celation Castellan member is offline Joined: Nov 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 232 Location: UK Karma: 17 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #101 on Jul 17, 2009, 12:27am » Jul 17, 2009, 12:24am, doctorhr2 wrote: Oooh, so both sides are different? This is going to bug me until I can crack it. Only since they were replaced. The left side was like a mirror of the right until it had to be repaired, and they got it wrong. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #102 on Jul 17, 2009, 12:35am » Jul 17, 2009, 12:27am, celation wrote: Jul 17, 2009, 12:24am, doctorhr2 wrote: Oooh, so both sides are different? This is going to bug me until I can crack it. Only since they were replaced. The left side was like a mirror of the right until it had to be repaired, and they got it wrong. So when you modeled that marvellous piece of work, were the paddles all the same dimensions and angles? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Scarfwearer Administrator member is offline Joined: Feb 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 175 Location: Somewhere beginning with 'S' Karma: 12 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #103 on Jul 17, 2009, 12:45am » Jul 17, 2009, 12:22am, doctorhr2 wrote: Logically then that middle bit going over the rods is going to have a wider flat piece between the two angled paddles... Yes? Does that make sense? I think you both have the paddles on the wrong side of the rods, yes? Perhaps the spacer between the V-shapes made by the paddles is wider because the V-shapes sit between the rods, as in this old sketch from a while back (the left sketch - the rods should be more centred, but it illustrates which side the rods are on - I think!). Crispin Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #104 on Jul 17, 2009, 12:55am » Okay.. This is what I've got so far: I've managed to get it all equally spaced and measured.. but is it right? « Last Edit: Jul 19, 2009, 3:16pm by Scarfwearer » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #105 on Jul 17, 2009, 1:04am » AnyWho... Bedtime methinks. More modeling tomorrow whilst listening to Test Match Special A very productive day though! See you tomorrow.. « Last Edit: Jul 19, 2009, 3:17pm by Scarfwearer » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Scarfwearer Administrator member is offline Joined: Feb 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 175 Location: Somewhere beginning with 'S' Karma: 12 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #106 on Jul 17, 2009, 1:05am » Jul 17, 2009, 12:55am, doctorhr2 wrote: Okay.. This is what I've got so far: ... I've managed to get it all equally spaced and measured.. but is it right? Looks good, but is it upside down? (meaning narrow join should be top-most?) Is it right? Who knows? We look at pictures and make our best guesses... Yup - bedtime! Crispin « Last Edit: Jul 17, 2009, 1:07am by Scarfwearer » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged celation Castellan member is offline Joined: Nov 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 232 Location: UK Karma: 17 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #107 on Jul 17, 2009, 9:26am » I don't think the paddles are attached in the way you think... The horizontal rods do indeed go "through" the paddles. That is to say, that the two halves of each paddle are split by the presence of the rod through the centre. The two halves of the paddles stick out at 180 degrees from each other either side of the horizontal rods. If you try to find an image of the central column where the paddles obscure the rods - you won't find one. The rods are integral to the paddles... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #108 on Jul 17, 2009, 11:30am » Jul 17, 2009, 9:26am, celation wrote: I don't think the paddles are attached in the way you think... The horizontal rods do indeed go "through" the paddles. That is to say, that the two halves of each paddle are split by the presence of the rod through the centre. The two halves of the paddles stick out at 180 degrees from each other either side of the horizontal rods. If you try to find an image of the central column where the paddles obscure the rods - you won't find one. The rods are integral to the paddles... By through you don't actually mean bi-secting the rods do you? The paddles are sat at an angle on the rods accoring to the images I have seen. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged celation Castellan member is offline Joined: Nov 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 232 Location: UK Karma: 17 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #109 on Jul 17, 2009, 11:43am » Yes - bisecting. That's the word. I'd be interested to see an image showing them sitting on the rods... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Scarfwearer Administrator member is offline Joined: Feb 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 175 Location: Somewhere beginning with 'S' Karma: 12 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #110 on Jul 17, 2009, 12:15pm » Jul 17, 2009, 9:26am, celation wrote: I don't think the paddles are attached in the way you think... The horizontal rods do indeed go "through" the paddles. That is to say, that the two halves of each paddle are split by the presence of the rod through the centre. The two halves of the paddles stick out at 180 degrees from each other either side of the horizontal rods. If you try to find an image of the central column where the paddles obscure the rods - you won't find one. The rods are integral to the paddles... I'm sure you're right, Chris. Even looking at your 3D render last night I misinterpreted it as having the rods one side of the paddles!... It just shows how hard it is to interpret pictures. Crispin « Last Edit: Jul 17, 2009, 12:16pm by Scarfwearer » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #111 on Jul 17, 2009, 12:28pm » I just pulled this off the Time Meddler DVD. The paddles DO seem to bisect the rods ... It's certainly the only way I can think that the pattern would work the way we can see it. Maybe the paddles themselves are split in two and attached either side of the rod? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged celation Castellan member is offline Joined: Nov 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 232 Location: UK Karma: 17 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #112 on Jul 17, 2009, 12:39pm » Jul 17, 2009, 12:28pm, doctorhr2 wrote: Maybe the paddles themselves are split in two and attached either side of the rod? Yup. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #113 on Jul 17, 2009, 12:41pm » Hahahah.. Just goes to show. Sometimes things ARE just how they appear! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #114 on Jul 17, 2009, 1:14pm » Right.. now maybe I can move onto something else « Last Edit: Jul 19, 2009, 3:17pm by Scarfwearer » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged celation Castellan member is offline Joined: Nov 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 232 Location: UK Karma: 17 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #115 on Jul 17, 2009, 2:04pm » Yay! Top rod doesn't have a paddle, though... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #116 on Jul 17, 2009, 2:40pm » Ahhh.. oh hang on, it does. The bottom one doesn't Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #117 on Jul 17, 2009, 3:01pm » Jul 17, 2009, 2:04pm, celation wrote: Yay! Top rod doesn't have a paddle, though... Okay.. I engaged eyes/brain I'm starting work on the 3 lamps that sit on the outer ring. Anyone know how long they are? Currently I'm working on a diameter of 1" and a length of 8"... « Last Edit: Jul 19, 2009, 3:18pm by Scarfwearer » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Scarfwearer Administrator member is offline Joined: Feb 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 175 Location: Somewhere beginning with 'S' Karma: 12 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #118 on Jul 17, 2009, 5:59pm » I was looking at the end of the Dalek Invasion of Earth DVD, and extracted a number of frame grabs, then put together a GIF animation of them: This is a thumbnail. If you click on it for the larger version, you'll have to wait while it downloads 3MB of animation before it starts looping at full speed (it's not long if you have broadband). Note the flags at the top: Chris or Marc has mentioned this already i think, but they're orientated differently on the two sides. It looks like there's a ¼" gap between the triangles, and in the gap you're looking at the backs of the triangles on the other side. This is why there appears to be a step in the middle of the slope. Also one of these flag squares gets turned around for a later story. I hope this helps a bit with further research... Crispin Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged doctorhr2 Time Lord member is offline Joined: Aug 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 116 Karma: 1 Re: Doctorhr2's circa 1970 build (3D) « Reply #119 on Jul 17, 2009, 6:14pm » Cheers Crispin, I have made the necessary adjustment Don't know if I'll get anymore done on the Great Work tonight.. but there's always tomorrow... 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