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Joined: Oct 2005 Gender: Male  Posts: 428 Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Karma: 150,159 |  | Re: Dematerialiser's Tardis « Reply #90 on Jun 29, 2006, 12:58am » | |
If your city is anything like mine, they'll have a pamphlet to tell you how to deal with underground wiring. I'd have to put a cable 24" underground if I don't give it any protection, but can have it as close as 12" with metal sheathing or pvc conduit. If I just tossed a treated 2x4 on top of the wire, that'd be 18". Cities generally have lots of information like this with regards to their building codes. That might be something you want to take a look at.
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Joined: Apr 2005 Gender: Male  Posts: 905 Karma: 382 |  | Re: Dematerialiser's Tardis « Reply #91 on Jun 29, 2006, 12:24pm » | |
Good point Sorvan.
On the basis I've no intention of moving house again, I just got on with it regardless.
Non of the authoroties should bother me (hopefully!)
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Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male  Posts: 628 Location: UK Karma: 1,160 |  | Re: Dematerialiser's Tardis « Reply #92 on Jul 4, 2006, 9:34am » | |
Thanks Colin - good point. I'll look into that when I come to do it. I recently had a good proportion of my house rewired by a certified electrical installations company, and I know the guy who runs it quite well so I'll ask him a few questions before I start (I wonder if he's got a couple of meters of reinforced cable going spare on a reel-end, now that would be convenient! 
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Joined: Apr 2005 Gender: Male  Posts: 905 Karma: 382 |  | Re: Dematerialiser's Tardis « Reply #93 on Jul 4, 2006, 10:41pm » | |
Out of interest (as far as electrics go), I'm sure somebody said that it is now illegal here in the UK to do any electrical work oneself, instead a certified electrician must be used.
Gone, it appears, are the days of fitting your own sockets and light switches.....
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I've never actually used x10, but recall that someone here said that it wasn't particularly reliable if you try to get it to do too much stuff at once. If I were you, I'd also bury some low voltage cable along with the mains power going to your box so that you have other options if you decide to use something else in the future. While you have your trench dug, why not stick extra stuff in it?
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Quote:Hi Colin
I found out yesterday that x10 is really unreliable too. Perhaps it's just bad luck with dodgy kit, but for anyone else here who's ever gone through a tech-support nightmare trying to get something working properly (usually the box has "simple to use" and "plug-and-play" etc on it...) I'd definitely steer clear of x10. There are just too many weak points in the chain in my opinion. I'd bought the following:
- USB Computer control module (& software to program the right effects) - Lamp module (to dim my lamp lens and internal lighting) - Appliance Module (to turn on the signboxes/phone panel light, and sounds.) - Tranciever module and remote control (to control the tardis effects remotely)
To cut a long story short, the USB control module was only recognised by my PC for as long as I didn't use the remote control - as soon as I used the remote the USB module would become unrecognised by the lighting software. Plus, although x10 sends control signals through the wiring system, there's plenty of people with interference problems from all sorts of devices in the home which can result in some commands being lost. Also, I was planning to write a series of events (i.e: lamp dim to 10%, then dim to 0%, then dim to 20% etc) but although the software allows settings like 'After 1 second' or "after 0 seconds (immediately)" the reality is that each event takes several seconds to actually work - which would be fine if my Tardis was materialising in slow motion replay 
After all that, the lamp module was faulty anyway, so - it's back to the shop for a refund, and back to the drawing board for some kind of programmable lighting control. 
cheers Chris
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Hmmm, well the X10 kit that I bought worked for me... Most of the time. I can well understand anyone getting frustrated with it though, as it's definitely not very reliable. It's main advantage is that it's a fairly straightforward way to hook up a computer to your house/TARDIS lighting. Which is good for getting started. That said I'm migrating away from it (literally actually!).
The computer control module I had worked at the level of individual signals and was attached to a serial port - not USB, so I was able to optimize the signalling somewhat, which if you get it right can make it work twice as fast (which is still pretty slow). It was able to flash the lamp on top of my TARDIS at a realistic speed (1 second for a repeating cycle of ON-OFF-). Most of the time This was really pushing the envelope though...
I didn't have the same problem with the remote control and transceiver - I also had those. In fact I used them to signal the computer to do interesting things, independently from operating the actual lights. That actually worked pretty well with the devices I had.
I was aware that interference was a potential problem, but actually rarely noticed any - the interface module I had was full duplex, so I was able to monitor all X10 activity with it, and it would report garbled signals when they occurred. It was fairly rare though.
I have noticed that the lighting faders do seem to burn out over time. I had a few of them and found they'd only last a year or so, even though I kept them within their wattage limits. At $10 each though I didn't mind *too* much.
Of course the equipment I had was all 110V so I left it all behind when I moved.
Chris, it looks like you've been unlucky in about 3 different ways with this experience.
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Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male  Posts: 628 Location: UK Karma: 1,160 |  | Re: Dematerialiser's Tardis « Reply #96 on Jul 12, 2006, 9:29am » | |
Hi Crispin
Thanks for letting me know what your experiences with x10 have been like. While I had the equipment I did actually manage to get a lamp to turn on and off at good speed too - by abandoning 'events' and writing a macro script instead. I was really pleased with it (until I hit all of the other problems) So, a bit of an update - I contacted the company I got the equipment from for a refund, and after a guy there duplicated my setup without any problems, I'm now waiting on a replacement transceiver, controller and lamp dimmer. If it doesnt work it's refund time, but if it does work (and I can pick up where I left off with my macro) I think I can fairly quickly have a setup where my lamp can dim up and down at the right speed, ending with my main internal light and signboxes turning on. Fingers crossed! 
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You're right in the thick of it aren't you! Fun isn't it!!! Cheers T
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It looks like your box is materializing very nicely!
I used under-counter fluorescent tubes to light my signs. They generate very little heat and actually don't flicker - there are several kinds of fluorescent starters, but I haven't seen any in recent years that flicker. These days they tend to be 'rapid start' or 'instant on' or whatever they call it. You can't generally dim them, though, and you need an X10 appliance module to turn them on and off - the dimmable lamp controller doesn't work with fluorescent tubes - I needed the one with the relay in it.
I had mine set up with a nearby motion sensor to trigger the action, initially wireless X10, but then I switched to non-X10 wired sensors, which are much more reliable (even a few X10 sensors generate signals often enough to completely saturate the system). This way my police box would vworp and turn on the lights and flash its fresnel a few times whenever anyone approached. How cool is that? Well I enjoyed it anyway 
It would probably be worth experimenting with perspex diffuser for the LEDs. You may not lose too much light. If clear perspex is easier to get, you can make it into a diffuser by roughing it up with sand paper - I did this for my box windows with an electric orbital sander. I also painted the interior of my sign boxes white to reflect as much light outward as possible.
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Quote:It looks like your box is materializing very nicely!Crispin
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Wow this is looking fantastic! I may also be approaching my build in a similar fashion, 2 parts for the walls and braced, easier for transport! Also great that you are doing something similar to what I want to do as far as light goes, being that you will be aiming for diming ones to similate teh materializing Luckily I have a couple Engineer buddies who pretty well said it was a peice of cake, we'll see though!
Seeing all these builds go up make me want to get started on mine yesterday! Again, very nicely done!
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Looking more and Tardisy Chris
Quote:| This way my police box would vworp and turn on the lights and flash its fresnel a few times whenever anyone approached. How cool is that? |
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Didn't understand the technical jargon about the lighting but this I did understand. This would be very cool indeed and you will have to post videos when it's all complete!
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Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male  Posts: 628 Location: UK Karma: 1,160 |  | Re: Dematerialiser's Tardis « Reply #102 on Jul 20, 2006, 11:52am » | |
Thanks everyone for the encouragment, I'm enjoying working on all of the details. Tom - it's definitely a lot of fun - I'll try not to materialise the wrong box though..  Thanks for the tip on the instant-on tubes, Crispin - I wasn't aware of those - I think tubes give the best spread of light (they seem to be using them on the new series signboxes so they'll be good enough for me ) And triggering your Tardis' lights and sounds like that sounds very addictive  When I get my signboxes finished, and get the signs in place, I'll experiment with Led's again before moving on - the cool thing about the led's I've got is they come with a little controller with preset effects - nice to be able to switch the Tardis into 'garden-party mode'...  Primrodo - cheers for the compliments, and all the best with your build. If you get your buddies to help out on a lighting solution please do let us know what you come up with. 'Tardisy' is such a great word Thanks Matt, - when I finally get there and it's all painted and wired up I'll definitely be putting a video of the light and sound effects up somewhere. Off now to get my glass cut at last.
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LOL! Ooops.. Anyone would think I was planning on transporting humpback whales in it!
Millimeters - meters - miles. I knew I was going wrong with my DIY somewhere.
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Chris - your build is progressing nicely! 
In terms of lighting my sign boxes, I am going to take the same approach as Crispin and the 2005 Series TARDIS. Fluorescents with even light emissions and low heat. Courtesy of Purple B. the 2005 lighting of sign boxes:
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I like your pebbled glass too. Where did you get it? Also, what is the measurements of your Fresnel lens if you don't mind?
I am impressed with what I am seeing on your build and very eager to see build completely MATERIALSE. 
Cheers mate, Jon
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Quote:| Anyone would think I was planning on transporting humpback whales in it! |
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Wow Demat, such a lot of progress! 
The roof looks great and now you have doors! Such good news.
Nice pebbled glass - the real stuff is so beautiful. I think the sandblasted glass will look wonderful in the other panes. I’m a bit tempted to change to that, where did you get it?
Your sound and lights plan is just brilliant – I want it too! (As long as it’s not like the TARDIS money box - I often get flashing lights and an echoing voice saying “ere.. aw comes you sand like you’re from the norf?” at three in the morning )
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Quote:Yesterday at 11:10am, Dematerialiser wrote:andl, like the pebbled, is 4m thick. Wow, that's some glass! Colin |
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cheers DrIz - (and Purple) that's a great photo of the new series box, and those smaller tubes are a lot cheaper too As for my glass, I was very lucky to ask at the right time at a local glaziers (infact, they primarily build and fit sealed unit double glazing - so that's another place for people to try if they're looking for scrap glass) - when I asked them they said they hadn't seen anymore since I got mine (a year ago!)
Thanks TG When I get the lighting installed and I'm triggering the whole sequence without any hitches (lamp + sound effects, then signboxes and inside light) I'll definitely post more details on what I've done and how I've set up the software for anyone who's interested (fingers crossed though that it does actually work after all that!). As for the sandblasted glass - I was all set to choose between 'Frosted' and standard sandblasted when another guy in the glaziers shop showed me a sample of the coarse sandblasted glass - it should be generally available everywhere. It's not actually that textured at all, but it does have a nice opacity. My photo of the glass isn't too helpful re: transparency and colour (the glass has a greenish tint because of the lighting and the paper - it's all actually nice and white/clear if you see what I mean. I'll try to get another photo up that's not against white paper.) Bach4me wrote: Quote:Now THAT"S a TARDIS that can be seen from space!  |
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There's my heavyweight Tardis windows, then the Great Wall of China, the river Nile, and manmade light pollution...etc etc 
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Quote:cheers DrIz - (and Purple) that's a great photo of the new series box, and those smaller tubes are a lot cheaper too |
| Chris - glad to be of help. I have received so much support through out my build from the indivduals of this forum, it's nice to offer something back, but Purp deserves the recognition. He always seems to have the answer to our questions - kudos to Purp on this post !!!
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Hi DrIz
Sorry! I only just realised I forgot to tell you my lamp lens dimensions - I can't measure it unfortunately because I've given it to the carpenter who's making the housing; but from memory I think it's something like 5"x5". But that width includes the outer edges of the fresnel, which always makes it sound short and squat - but it'll look right with the cap on top 
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Quote:Hi DrIz Sorry! I only just realised I forgot to tell you my lamp lens dimensions - I can't measure it unfortunately because I've given it to the carpenter who's making the housing; but from memory I think it's something like 5"x5". But that width includes the outer edges of the fresnel, which always makes it sound short and squat - but it'll look right with the cap on top cheers Chris |
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Chris - thanks mate! I appreciate you catching my question. Much obliged. Your build is really starting to take form. 
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Chris, I like the subtle changes your making. What program are you using for your 3d designs? The block end signboxes give it a more distinctive look in my opinion. Also, the angle roof is a must, especially if your placing your build outside!!
Looking good mate, Jon
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Hi Jon
Thanks a lot for your feedback on those small changes, and yes - I don't think the flat roof on the season 14 box would last too long outside in damp old england 
As for the 3d app - I use Sketchup (www.sketchup.com) which is free and I can really recommend it if you're new to 3d - I found it very user friendly and the tools are deceptively simple - I found you can model almost anything in it (even the interesting shapes and curves on a fresnel lens) and make things look like glass etc. That said, the only weak point of Sketchup is the limited rendering and materials - but I find it easily good enough to design a Tardis in, and I have a couple of friends who work in interior design and Sketchup is one of the staple tools their company use to quickly mock things up, like architecture etc. The other great thing (and you can see proof of this in the image that Timegirl and myself made of the Tardis next to a castle - earlier in this thread somewhere..) is that the models that Sketchup creates can be exported to other apps like Lightwave that are much better at rendering.
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Chris - I am downloading the trial version. Is that one I want? It looks like I'll have to purchase it after a period of time. Is it worth the money??
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Hi Jon
I have version 5 myself but they recently became affiliated with Google and released a free version which should have all of the tools you need - so for now I'd recommend the free version 
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Wow - I love your new signature picture Demat!!!!
And I wanted to add that I really like the modifications to your model - I agree with DrIz about the blocked-in ends on your sign boxes, they really suit the build, looking great . TG
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thanks! A few others have had them from time to time, so I thought I'd have a go (good excuse to play with photoshop anyway!)
Quote: And I wanted to add that I really like the modifications to your model - I agree with DrIz about the blocked-in ends on your sign boxes, they really suit the build, looking great . TG |
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thanks TG I'm glad you like the new look for my Tardis - amazing how only a couple of small details can change the whole look (but then I guess that's what Tardis-building is all about - just look at the variety we have on the rebuilders! If I had a penny for every time someone has said something like "..isn't it just a blue box?" )  cheers Chris
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Joined: Oct 2005 Gender: Male  Posts: 428 Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Karma: 150,159 |  | Re: Dematerialiser's Tardis « Reply #118 on Aug 10, 2006, 9:26pm » | |
Quote:| If I had a penny for every time someone has said something like "..isn't it just a blue box?" |
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Most of the people I've mentioned my build to just give me strange looks... and then even stranger looks when I try to explain what I'm talking about.... at least some of them have heard about Dr. Who before.
Colin
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Joined: Mar 2006 Gender: Male  Posts: 601 Location: west kent Karma: 1,728 |  | Re: Dematerialiser's Tardis « Reply #119 on Nov 5, 2006, 5:55pm » | |
Hi Chris Looking fantastic my son! I think I speak for all here when I say you can never post too much detail, the more the merrier. Anyhoo, great stuff and progress, keep it coming. Many thanks KB
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