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Jul 20, 2009, 7:56pm, Scarfwearer wrote: Jul 20, 2009, 7:42pm, zbignievhamson wrote:| Much as I love police boxes (obviously) I don't think it would be the biggest crime in the world to ditch it in the series at any point in the future. Having a working chameleon circuit could be quite interesting. |
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It would be like Star Trek ditching the Enterprise, or Blakes 7 ditching the Liberator. Ah...
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and yet everyone likes star trek 4...
I once put some thought into a continuation of doctor who, prior to the new series, one of the concepts I was floating was that the chameleon circuit was fixed but that the databank that fed into it was still fried so the police box became the default but the doctor could manually input something else if the occasion called for it.
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![[image]](http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1360/omni02g.jpg) I suppose you could take the normal precautions against an atomic blast. Sticky tape on the windows and that sort of thing. |
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Joined: Jul 2007 Gender: Female  Posts: 75 Location: Planet Dublin Karma: 6 |  | Re: New Exterior Prop for Matt? « Reply #61 on Jul 21, 2009, 11:27pm » | |
Jul 20, 2009, 7:42pm, zbignievhamson wrote:| Much as I love police boxes (obviously) I don't think it would be the biggest crime in the world to ditch it in the series at any point in the future. Having a working chameleon circuit could be quite interesting. |
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That would be as daft as composing a new theme tune! Doctor Who without a police box shaped Tardis would cease to be Doctor Who.
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Jul 20, 2009, 4:09pm, DoctorWho8 wrote:| Well, now Matt Smith looks like a mix of TVM Sylvester McCoy and little Patrick Troughton... |
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Steven Moffatt's almost the same age as me (by 10 days), so I reckon he's got a distant fond memory of watching Pat Troughton when he was a kid. He'll probably quite like the slightly shabby "Science Teacher" look that Matt is sporting here, and he might have had a hand in directing the wardrobe dept in that area... 
Sorry, bit OT there...
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Joined: Jul 2008 Gender: Male  Posts: 41 Karma: 1,000 |  | Re: New Exterior Prop for Matt? « Reply #63 on Jul 22, 2009, 3:52am » | |
The problem with the dirty look vs the clean look is that, like so many other sci-fi shows, the reality of the TARDIS exterior has been explained in contradictory ways over the years. This has been especially so under RTD's reign. The hull is supposed to a "plasmic shell" that is indestructible according to the original series. That's why the outside and inside always looked so different and why it shouldn't have needed any extra shielding as in Parting of the Ways.
Yes, yes I know we had the lines about the Dalek fleet learning how to fight TARDISes and it becoming plain old wood in Journey's End . . . but come on - that just doesn't make sense! How can something that just LOOKS like wood actually become wood. And if the shell was just wood, how was it able to remain dimensionally transcendental? Like so much of the new series, any science questions (no matter fictional) were often given fantasy answers instead of internally consistent scientific answers.
Okay, this has turned into a rant - back to the new TARDIS! ;-) I like the new look and think that based on rumors it will involve some kind of a reset. And I cannot wait to see the new interior!
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I saw pics of Matt Smith tossing around a new Sonic Screwdriver. Seems to blend elements of the Eccleston/Tennant one with the Pertwee/T Baker/Davison model. But that's another topic. Bill Rudloff
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But the real question is: What's it like INSIDE?
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Jul 21, 2009, 11:27pm, anita wrote: Jul 20, 2009, 7:42pm, zbignievhamson wrote:| Much as I love police boxes (obviously) I don't think it would be the biggest crime in the world to ditch it in the series at any point in the future. Having a working chameleon circuit could be quite interesting. |
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That would be as daft as composing a new theme tune! Doctor Who without a police box shaped Tardis would cease to be Doctor Who. |
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Well feel free to disagree, but no need to call it daft it's only an opinion 
I personally think it's daft to think that what the TARDIS looks like is the be-all and end-all of Doctor Who. It's usually only seen at the beginning and end of a story, it's not even featured in some stories at all. As much as I (obviously) love it, there's a lot more to the show than the TARDIS, and certainly a lot more than what shape the TARDIS takes.
Also, I can imagine that a lot of the fun for children watching back in the sixties is that they actually saw real police boxes out on the street and I'm sure they got a kick out of that. That's been completely lost on audiences for a long time now, and I'm sure kids today would quite like it if it suddenly looked like something they actually see again.
Obviously it doesn't make sense from a marketing or publicity point of view, but then I'm just a fan not a toy manufacturer so that's not really my concern.
It could even survive a change of theme tune really
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Well i have 1 major problem with the new prop as I believe I said elsewhere, the Fresnel lens and the 2005 weather cap just don't look right together. Either bring back the 2005 Parisian lantern looks or redesign the lamp housing, it looks like it was just thrown together.
Apart from that it looks pretty much the same to me. Hard to tell if the windows are smaller or just look that way with the white framing and lack of internal light.
Well a quick glance at TARDIS builders cleared that up for me lol
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Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male  Posts: 345 Location: Perth, Western Australia Karma: 12 |  | Re: New Exterior Prop for Matt? « Reply #69 on Jul 23, 2009, 12:43am » | |
Jul 22, 2009, 12:34pm, Mr Bollo wrote:
I like the one with the soldiers, the proportions look quite good but the scale! its just too big!
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![[image]](http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1360/omni02g.jpg) I suppose you could take the normal precautions against an atomic blast. Sticky tape on the windows and that sort of thing. |
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It looks to me as if the corner posts and the architrave are chunkier? Plus some extra detailing at the top of the posts?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KTJWhtuRLac/Sm..../s5filming5.jpg
Overall a definite improvement.
If only they would have made the panels oblong and not keen on the almost flourescent wood grain from some of the photos!
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Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male  Posts: 345 Location: Perth, Western Australia Karma: 12 |  | Re: New Exterior Prop for Matt? « Reply #71 on Jul 23, 2009, 3:09am » | |
reduce it to 3/4 scale and give it a dirt wash and I'd be quite happy with the new build.
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OK its the mk3, so anyway overall not keen don't like the colour never been keen on white window frames (sorry to those who do) or the st john's badge even though i'm a member. like the lamp and its over all size though.. I know they change things so people buy new toys like the new sonic screwdriver but in this case i wish they had just left it alone..
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The white window frames are just so starkly white against the blue and the (are they really) black and gray windows. Hmm. Love the lamp. Love the costume.
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I think that it looks very similar to the David Tennent prop overall. Just minor cosmetic differences of new Windows, St.Johns Ambulance Badge, Lamp and Colour scheme. I like the changes, but I do hope that they haven't gone completely away from the lit up windows, and signs. That was one of the things about the new series prop that endeared me to it. I like that it lit up as opposed to the old series.
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Jul 22, 2009, 8:38pm, zbignievhamson wrote: Jul 21, 2009, 11:27pm, anita wrote:
That would be as daft as composing a new theme tune! Doctor Who without a police box shaped Tardis would cease to be Doctor Who. |
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Well feel free to disagree, but no need to call it daft it's only an opinion 
I personally think it's daft to think that what the TARDIS looks like is the be-all and end-all of Doctor Who. It's usually only seen at the beginning and end of a story, it's not even featured in some stories at all. As much as I (obviously) love it, there's a lot more to the show than the TARDIS, and certainly a lot more than what shape the TARDIS takes. It could even survive a change of theme tune really  |
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Doctor Who without a Police Box shaped Tardis and a different theme tune would quite simply cease to be Doctor Who for 99.9% of the people that watch it. It would make this forum pretty complicated too - 13 new Tardis designs every season...
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I rather like that you can make out the wood grain. Gives it a nice look to my eye. Though I imagine once I see it in an episode I won't be able to knowtice.
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Jul 23, 2009, 1:56am, graybags34 wrote:It looks to me as if the corner posts and the architrave are chunkier? Plus some extra detailing at the top of the posts?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KTJWhtuRLac/Sm..../s5filming5.jpg
Overall a definite improvement.
If only they would have made the panels oblong and not keen on the almost flourescent wood grain from some of the photos! |
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I quite like what I've seen of the new design. In particular it's got rid of those horrible posts, you know the way it's sort of cut-out around the edges of the signs. Also it looks more "Tardisy" than the old NST to me.
As far as the new interior, I hope the papers don't get hold of a pic and spoil it for us. There's always a lot of fan-based attempts to design alternate console rooms, but they're always derivative of what's gone before. However I think the new console room in 2005 was a huge surprise to everyone, and nobody could ever have guessed what a radical departure it was. Even the TV Movie set was arguably descended from consoles of old, whereas Eccleston's console room was just so-o-o different and so original.
I hope the new design is as original and refreshing as the 2005 one was, and I for one can't wait.
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Sept 22, 2009, 11:20am, lorisarvendu wrote: Jul 23, 2009, 1:56am, graybags34 wrote:
I quite like what I've seen of the new design. In particular it's got rid of those horrible posts, you know the way it's sort of cut-out around the edges of the signs. |
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I'm afraid those are still there from what I can make out - look at the top of the posts in the pic above and you'll see where those cut-out thing bits stop near the top. The pictures seen so far may not have captured full details yet..
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AAAARRRRGGGHH!!!! I hate it!! It looks too new!! It's been zooming around the time/space continuum for at least 900 years, it'd HAVE to look all beat up! As for the whole "growing a new one" idea, it looks like too much of a hodge-podge of previous TARDIS's blended together already! By all means go back to the original Hartnell box! But yet again, too many new faces wanna stamp their own names on our beloved show and do it their way. White frames? The St Johns badge? Man, they're messing with an icon... again. Not happy.
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Here's a photo taken earlier on in the month - if I'm not mistaken the white windows surrounds are gone:
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![[image]](http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a136/AnsonJames/rhymneyoldvicarage-filming-091008-r.jpg) And here's the backdrop for the interior of the prop which shows part of the new console room;
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Pretty lurid and cheap looking in my opinion - is there a Hartnell like part of set design I can see though?
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Rumour has it there is a story where the 10 TARDIS later changes into the 11 TARDIS so this is probalby the 10 part of that story.
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Oct 29, 2009, 6:41am, kiwidoc wrote:| Rumour has it there is a story where the 10 TARDIS later changes into the 11 TARDIS so this is probalby the 10 part of that story. |
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The second picture looks like the NST "Mk1" lamp fitting, whereas the third looks like the lamp from the "Mk2", which would seem to support that rumour.
Can't tell if the night picture has the white window frames, but they are still "NST-thin" if you see what I mean.
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I love the police box shape; however, I do see how fixing the chameleon circuit would make for some interesting plot developments. I don’t mean have a new Tardis shape every week, but certain plots needing an interesting shape might add to the story lines…especially if the Tardis needs to be hidden for whatever reason and she decides that she doesn’t want to be that shape and changes back to the police box shape we all know and love, there by exposing herself to detection. However, regardless of what the outside looks like, I would love to see more of the inside of the Tardis this series. I grew up during the Peter Davidson years and it seemed like we saw more of the inside of the Tardis during that time then any other time in the show. So far in the new series we have only had hints at how gargantuan and labyrinthine the Tardis really is. Other than that I look forward to the wardrobe scene. Those were always my favorite scenes right after the regeneration when the Doctor tries out all the various clothes to find just the right one.
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