Hello all. I'm trying to make a CGI model of the '81-'89 TARDIS and I was wondering if any plans with measurements had ever appeared 'round these 'ere parts? Also, anyone with experience of modeling with 3D Studio Max, how do you texture onto a beveled surface without the texture warping to the centre??
I happen to have a copy of the BBC Yardley Jones plans (drawn up using imperial measurements) and some of the details don't quite stack up with yours. I'm aware that the final props never fully match the original blueprints, but a couple of things in particular might need re-checking. Firstly the BBC plans state the open door height to be 78inches (6' 6") and the lintel width is stated as 6inches, slightly larger than your measurements. Also the 3 steps under the lintel are stated as a total of 3.5inches in depth, exactly the same as the width between each recessed panel and the distance from the top of the door to the windows. Hope this is of help!
I've seen those plans. The builders did wander from them (as always). The imperial measurements were used as a sort of short hand of familiarity (still are), but a reliable source (someone on this board?) suggested that this prop was metric in execution. Did timber go metric in the UK by 1980?
The doors are 78" (77.952, anyway) in the plans I've drawn, but everything else is definitely up for debate. Some refining is going on in the photogrammetry thread.
The imperial measurements were used as a sort of short hand of familiarity (still are), but a reliable source (someone on this board?) suggested that this prop was metric in execution. Did timber go metric in the UK by 1980?
The UK started going metric about 200 years ago, and we're still working on it. We travel in miles, drink (warm) beer by the imperial pint, but buy fuel in litres and pay for it with metric money. Timber is now sold in "metric feet" (multiples of 300mm), except for plywood, which you buy in sheets of 1220x2440mm, and 2x4s which are billed as 50x100mm but are usually 38x89mm. Go figure.
Post by lespaceplie on Sept 9, 2009 15:29:26 GMT 1
Non-metric 2x4s have the same problem. I think the dimensions are supposed to yield a 4" thick wall when drywall is hung on both sides.
It seems the only way to really iron out the dims is going to require some stealth measurement of an actual prop. Until then, I'll keep updating the pdf. Building something that looks right is all fine and dandy, but the perfectionist in me carries on.
Post by rustymetaldog on Sept 9, 2009 18:39:30 GMT 1
Re the door heights, forgive for me wading in at a late stage, but might the difference be the hidden area of the door behind the lintel area, for the inward opening type of doors? 2" might be the bit behind the 3 steps...?
Have always wanted to build a season 18, so I'll try and follow this thread properly.
Post by lespaceplie on Sept 10, 2009 19:10:58 GMT 1
The plans have been further tweaked. For a start, I "unlearned" some aspects of the props that have tainted the plans I've drawn for more than 10 years!
One story I'm sticking to, until someone can prove otherwise, is the notion that the YJ props are indeed metric. Under this assumption the proportions fall into rather convenient dimensions and solve one of the sticky points regarding the post width (16cm/6.25").
Earlier plans I created were in the neighborhood of the correct proportions but were crippled by trying to make the posts 6" wide (something that might be true for the Brachaki prop). This simply doesn't work with 78" doors. I had also tried to squeeze the doors into a 36" span. Wrong again! There is a little more wiggle room that takes into account that the doors need to actually open.
Here are the latest updates. I'm limiting the plans to the front face until everything is correct(ish). There are metric and imperial plans (with a little rounding to standard materials where practical):
It turns out this prop was built a la imperial dims afterall. I mixed up the story of the Newbery prop (designed metric/built whatever was handy). For this reason I've killed the metric version of the plans.
After having Purp give these another glance and answering a few questions, I think the best we can hope for is another looks right scenario. As we know, the fiberglass props shrunk and weren't very dimensionally consistent all around. For this reason I have created something along the lines of what was intended before shrinkage and what Purp aptly refers to as "builder's drift." To actually duplicate what was on screen according to actual measurements off the prop is quite impractical, but what I've drawn will hopefully provide an improved starting point to adjust to whatever version of the YJ boxes you want.
I'm beginning to standardize the layout of the plans. There will be more updates with more labeled dims coming soon.
If they're the same ones I saw, I think the door was listed at 76" - 6'4", and the panel height at 14½" - as I built my box based on those plans.
I just realized that I'm the source of those dims from an older version of the plans I did long before these boards were around. Pretty much everything is a bit smaller than the real thing, but proportions are okay. You've built something like a 95 percent size replica (and a good one at that).
Post by Scarfwearer on Sept 24, 2009 20:47:28 GMT 1
It's a small world - I wondered who produced those. Thanks for drawing them! I think I stuck pretty closely to the measurements.
Gosh, that means I started planning my build just about ten years ago, though I won't celebrate its 10th anniversary until next July, as I didn't consider it finished until I painted it in July 2000...
EDIT: Ironically, my TARDIS interior is about 5% too big...
Post by zbignievhamson on Sept 25, 2009 23:43:29 GMT 1
Does anyone have any info as to when the central divider continuation above the signbox was present on this build? From the photo's I have it definitely seems to be on both the Mk I and the Mk II, but the few shots I have from the Leisure Hive seem to show it wasn't there then. It seems to be an odd little feature to introduce later, but it seems as though that is the case.