Hi guys and Gal's, so here is a statement followed by a question. I am making a Time Rotor. I am pretty sure that the dimensions for the central column are correct because its plinth top happens to be the same as a roundel (or at least I've been told that by someone who should know!). But I have no idea about the dimensions for the perspex case. I have been told its roughly 2.5 ft wide, by 4 ft tall there or thereabout - but that seems HUGE - does anyone know... I wish to build this (or have it made) around my 80's central column and then build my console full size around that! (although I already started a door lever coz I couldn't wait!!!) so does anyone know how wide and how tall the clear casing is or should be??? I would also urge people to show pictures of their time rotor's if they have one. please well heres my incomplete plinth with a make shift acetate sheet around it...
Last Edit: Apr 10, 2008 13:25:42 GMT 1 by timerotor
The rotor you're doing and the later (5 Doctors) version are pretty much the same, 55cm wide by 70cm tall - so I'm not sure what's been going on with the numbers you've been given. Essentially the full rotor width is just slightly bigger than the roundel.
Hey good looking rotor, That is exactly what I did, started with the Rotor first and worked my way from there. I thought..hmmmm I'll do the hardest part first..boy was I wrong <LOL> Anyway here are a couple pictures of mine
Thats very kind y'all. Thank you for the words of encouragement. However - I'm not sure that 70cm tall is correct - that seems on the small side. I know that the TOP of the base stand is just a bit bigger than my roundel say 20 inches in diameter. If you allow two inches for the bottom of the plinth - thats... well even more. - and if its only 70 cm tall it seems disproportionate. I have been very lucky and found some great reference pictures and some people have shared their pictures with me, and I think I can work it out visually from there. Its bigger than you think! Kast, BEAUTIFUL images thanks! Crispin, what measurements do you have? I have to dismantle it all anyway because I have sourced better plastics, and when I put it back together again I can make correction adjustments which I have spotted thanks again for the feed back guystimerotor ;D
Hey timerotor, what diameter tubes did you go with? Are you using color gels inside the tubes? Oh and just an observation, the frosted pieces between the tubes don't extend all the way to each tube, there is a gap on either side, Also they top of the frosted piece extends a tiny bit above the top of the yellow strip, I guestimated mine at 1/4 inch as I wasn't sure how much exactly. Just my two cents at this point its looking awesome. Where are you sourcing your plastics from?
Karst, thanks for the tips. I have noticed that. and thats one of the reasons that Im dismantling it. I got a lot of tubes etc from Pinewood a few years ago...there was a good shop 'general stores' for prop builders supplies etc - don't know if its still there (haven't been for years). Also I have picked up the odd bits and bobs from The Three Mills Film Studio - where I used to work, there are always interesting things lying around in skips etc. thats where the red gel comes from. I have also been to The London Graphics Centre - they stock some fab plastics/perspex tubes.
I have made my own tubes out of thin but solid perspex sheets and slipped the red gel into it. I think the actual ones were 4 inches wide, but I've used the clear CD type thing you get in a bulk buy CD pack for the top and bottom - which is slightly over sized at 4 & 3/4 inches, but I think it looks more like it. I will trim the frosted perspex and take into consideration everything you have pointed out. Thanks again!
Last Edit: Apr 7, 2008 10:13:19 GMT 1 by timerotor
Oh hey not a problem, just thought I would throw in my two cents. Hey are you going to use a red center tube for the wires or a triangular one? I think i have seen both variations. I had wanted to do the triangle for an upgrade at some point but I can't seem to find any online that are 2" in diameter roughly Have you seen anything like that in your acrylic searches?
Hi Karst, no, but I am planning to find some - but then its getting the right pink - that could be difficult. Karsten, do you know... I have only just discovered your console and time rotor - and I am absolutely in AWE! Its brilliant - your console looks amazing! do you have any more or updated pictures? I hope I can save some of your build pictures for reference. please. ;D Im hoping to make a really good and accurate time rotor - but without access to the original I will have to make do with a rough guide. Its really quite simple, when you stop looking at it as a whole thing, and manage to see HOW it is put together- and with what. pictures on your thread have helped me - the ones of it in BBC Visual Effects in the early 90's before its auction. I spotted the black tape had been removed when it appeared in the TWO DOCTORS! - And thats also evident in these pictures A BIG THANKS to who ever posted them!
Save all the pictures of mine you want for reference, it if helps you then great. I know how it is, staring at the same photo's again and again trying to glean as much information from them as you can. The Timerotor was my first attempt and I am pleased with the results so far, there are a few things I would do differently but for right now I am happy. I don't have any updates currently on my console but stay tuned they are coming :). If you track down the acrylic triangle please let me know I want to get one as well for a rotor upgrade at some point.
Hey is that yours? You need to PM me if it is, I have been wanting to source the correct lights with not much luck. I have had to use florescent lights rather then the accurate incandescent strip lights used on the original. Wow, do you have the picture larger?
oh... No its not mine - sorry to excite you :'(, if it were I would work at record speed wouldn't I...? ;D I'm trying to copy this build. and ironically the thing I'm not interested in is this type of lights.
I feel bad now... I can't even enhance the picture as it was sent to my mobile.
DOH, oh well I had to ask, Don't feel bad, I didn't think it was, but you never know. At any rate its a great reference photo. What type of lights are you going to go with since you aren't looking to replicate that part of it? Will you go with a solid tube as in the Later baker and early Davidson console?
P.S. I don't know if you have seen this photo but it helped me a great deal.
Last Edit: Apr 8, 2008 1:06:28 GMT 1 by karsthotep
yeah, thats a great reference picture! I can see that the rods are missing from the centre of the frosted panels (they slotted in between the two tiny yellow bars - which then had the black strip of elex tape wrapped around it) which is also missing - as it was in its last screen appearance ' the two doctors'. Anyway, I don't have a clue what lights to use, I am firmly concentrating on the correct design and colours and plastics dimensions etc... of the build at the moment. I will be after the later look (Terminus) I am having a bad few days as I have buggered up the plinth. I made it too squat
as you can see I have used my roundel as a size guide as I was told by a props-man and friend who measured in detail the prop in question - that the top of the plinth is a tad bigger... and Mr Purple thinks that the entire casing is very close to that - so I'm working on a rough middle ground. The plinth is easily remedied. All I have to do is stick some feet on the bottom ring and clad it with black board. - and miraculously - its one or two inches taller - which will help the red columns up a bit as theres too much of a gap between the top of them, and the clear case with the present measurements.
Thanks for the picture, I have to also reduce the width my columns to 4 inches now ( I have based their size up til now around CD's and they look too fat to me. (I noticed that you guys think they are too small at 4 inches - but I think with the gap and the frosted perspex - and all the extra bits it will be fine! Look at this pic of a accurate replica build - that has used 4 inch tubing it looks spot on!
we'll see.... its very touch and go isn't it - hit and miss - well... UP & DOWN in this case timerotor ;D
Last Edit: Apr 8, 2008 13:54:51 GMT 1 by timerotor
I agree, I think the 4inch tubing is accurate, When I went with mine I did 4.5" should I redo it I will go with the 4" diameter. A few questions
1) what is the width and length of the yellow strips? 2) the triangle. Found a source yet? 3) What did you use for the reflective portion? 4) How are you going to cut your acrylic strips and most importantly the clear acyrlic triangle top?
Yes exactly, now that clear rod was not there much past pertwee, in a few baker episodes its there, but eventually they are gone. Having either fallen off or been removed since they had the frosted piece. Either way, they were there, but later not.
well, thanks... Im not sure about anything. Ummm.... I think Im going to do the yellow strips the size that the sheet comes in. I have no pictures yet because the plastic is in London, and Im away at the moment. But I bought the yellow sheet from London Graphics and it was so close to the yellow, and I couldn't believe my luck that it looked the right length already. 10" inches. Im going to cut them 1" wide. (Im not saying thats right - and am open to suggestions if you know better... but its what I estimate it to be - in scale with everything else.) I was told by the shop assistant to use a scalpel and metal edge and snap it like you would glass! I use this technique with all the acrylic sheets, so some are perfect and some are wasted. - BUT THATS LIFE! I have now done the tubes and they look so much better thinner - they are 54 Cm's in length - that is the standard length of the film lighting gel - and it hasn't changed since it was first produced - so I guess thats what the BBC would've had lying around- (It looks correct to me). I have no idea about the triangle centre point. I shall have to research that more - and perhaps ask my mates in the business. If I find a source I will do my best to get some for you too! You know, I do most of it by eye. a constant reference to pictures like the one you showed me on here, and of course the programme itself. - which drives me crazy. As I said I'm scaling everything around the roundel and the 4 inches - that all the FACTs I have, the rest is by sight alone - hence the short plinth mistake. For the top of the plinth I was going to use a mirror I found in B&Q warehouse - it was the right size, but I though that they would never have used such a heavy thing - and I went with an artists mounting board that is widely available and ironically NOT WIDE ENOUGH! so I have a nasty join. Don't be silly - YOURS IS fab! but change it if you want, its always good to adjust things - even after you said NO MORE! - thats the fun about it, go on take a roundel off the wall, get your time rotor out and - you can pretend you're the Doctor! ;D
G'DAY! Mr Purple.. I believe tha the replica in question is now complete. yes.
Last Edit: Apr 8, 2008 23:16:50 GMT 1 by timerotor
Very interesting and a great reference photo you posted. do you have that one larger? Or does anyone? It is very helpful especially after seeing it next to the original. The yellow strips are exactly what I did 10" long by 1" in height. I think in the pertwee console they were thinner, maybe half that. Interesting with your length of tubes, I went with 18" total for the tubes, I converted your 54cm's and that is about 21.25 inches, I had thought of going longer but decided against it, If that is a more accurate length I see an upgrade in my future when the main console is done. How long is your rotor base? I went with 4"inches on mine since most will not be seen but I like the look of the wider one, is it about 6 or 8 inches?
Hi, Im glad you too made it 10 inches with the yellow strip! That sits perfectly inline with my dimensions. yeah thats right, the tubes are just over 21 inches tall. the base is actually 6.5 inches tall. I did scale it up as being the height of the tubes divided by three - but I had to add the feet as it looked a little too squat.
this is how Im approaching the base plinth. its made out of the left over part you would get if you cut a hole for a roundel to slot into a wood panel (hence the odd jigsaw line going through it.) I don't believe in wasting what can be used!
I am sinking the tubes into it - but only slightly, making them 21 inches tall, and they will be hot glued into position to ensure that they are straight
I also wanted to drill holes out to make it lighter. I stuck the feet on afterwards giving it only half an inch more in height.
I have yet to make the base plate - which I think sticks out two inches (maybe even 2.5). I dunno.... and instead of just cutting out a whole nother solid circle, I will do an over lapping ring - so it keeps the over all weight down.
ah well. thats all I can think of today. It'll look more like it, when the base is black, and the parts come together! (I HOPE) timerotor
Last Edit: Apr 9, 2008 22:08:45 GMT 1 by timerotor
This is looking fantastic! I hope to some day build a console, but I've got to finish my police box first. Don't know if it will ever happen, but I've got a camp house in the woods that I'd like to convert into a console room.
"Don't get your cortex caught in a vortex" - George Carlin
finally on holiday! WOOOHOOO!!! Just read this thread, and thought i'd post up some images of my Perwee rotor, though I must stress that my measurements are not entirely accurate. I didn't have a heck of a lot to go on, and I really only built it as a variation to my 5 Doctors one, i.e just for the fun of it!
These photos were taken when I was in the process of building the rotor. I made the triangular rod by welding 3 thin lengths of pinky-orangy acrylic together...
My tubes were hand-made as the price of acrylic tube here in Australia is absolutely ridiculous! the diameter is much smaller than the size you guys have mentioned. They're only 3" 5/16 (85mm) as opposed to 4". I wouldn't use mine as a reference though, as I said earlier, I didn't have much to go on - and I'm blind as a bat! The tube length is 500mm.